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	Comments on: #5OnFri:  Upper-Middle Grade Fantasy and Science Fiction	</title>
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		By: DIYMFA		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://diymfa.com/reading/5onfri-upper-middle-grade-fantasy-science-fiction/#comment-2238&quot;&gt;Declan&lt;/a&gt;.

Declan--while I enjoy spirited discussion, I do not appreciate rudeness, whether directed toward myself or members of my contributing team. Going to someone else&#039;s site and calling their comment a &quot;meaningless rebutted&quot; is not nice manners. Healthy debate is welcome at DIY MFA. Attitude and nastiness is not. Please conduct yourself accordingly. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://diymfa.com/reading/5onfri-upper-middle-grade-fantasy-science-fiction/#comment-2238">Declan</a>.</p>
<p>Declan&#8211;while I enjoy spirited discussion, I do not appreciate rudeness, whether directed toward myself or members of my contributing team. Going to someone else&#8217;s site and calling their comment a &#8220;meaningless rebutted&#8221; is not nice manners. Healthy debate is welcome at DIY MFA. Attitude and nastiness is not. Please conduct yourself accordingly. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Declan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DIY, Harry Potter IS Young Adult. Thanks for the meaningless rebutted but its readability rating is 15+. It&#039;s YA according to the ALA. It&#039;s characters are teens, and they act like teens. 
The first two books are Upper-Middle Grade. The third is New-Young Adult. The 4th, 5th, and 6th  are YA, the 7th is Edgy Young Adult. The characters developed human beings. They bring moodier, more mature. They develop feelings of lust. They&#039;re willing pawns in an increasing violent war. The issues they face are really adolescent issues. . And to be honest, The Hunger Games is NOT for an older audience. It&#039;s for the same. 
Jo&#039;s voice has been directed at Tweens and teens since the 3rd book, and the complexity and scope of the stories, plus the content and themes are YA. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DIY, Harry Potter IS Young Adult. Thanks for the meaningless rebutted but its readability rating is 15+. It&#8217;s YA according to the ALA. It&#8217;s characters are teens, and they act like teens.<br />
The first two books are Upper-Middle Grade. The third is New-Young Adult. The 4th, 5th, and 6th  are YA, the 7th is Edgy Young Adult. The characters developed human beings. They bring moodier, more mature. They develop feelings of lust. They&#8217;re willing pawns in an increasing violent war. The issues they face are really adolescent issues. . And to be honest, The Hunger Games is NOT for an older audience. It&#8217;s for the same.<br />
Jo&#8217;s voice has been directed at Tweens and teens since the 3rd book, and the complexity and scope of the stories, plus the content and themes are YA. </p>
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		By: DIYMFA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For the record, Harry Potter is great, but it is not YA. It is a series that begins solidly in middle grade and grows with its readership both in terms of theme and voice so that the seventh book ends solidly in YA camp.


When determining categories like YA and MG, you must consider a few things: the voice/aesthetic, the age of the protagonist, and the intent of the author. For instance, The Catcher In the Rye might have a teenaged protagonist and teenaged voice/aesthetic, but the author clearly did not intend it for a teen audience (as YA did not exist until many years later). Much as teens have appropriated The Catcher in the Rye as YA, this book is clearly not. (For similar reasons, I strongly object to The Lord of the Flies or To Kill A Mockingbird being called YA.)


More importantly, I&#039;m concerned with this assumption that YA means a book is somehow more sophisticated than middle grade. Simplicity of language or slightly toned down themes does not make MG any less dark or sophisticated a category. Really the only things you can&#039;t do in MG is sex and drugs but it can definitely be just as dark as YA and it can deal with extremely painful, grown-up themes. For example, No Laughter Here (a wonderful book by Rita Williams Garcia) is clearly middle grade but is more shocking and painful than most YA I have read (and I read a LOT of YA).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Harry Potter is great, but it is not YA. It is a series that begins solidly in middle grade and grows with its readership both in terms of theme and voice so that the seventh book ends solidly in YA camp.</p>
<p>When determining categories like YA and MG, you must consider a few things: the voice/aesthetic, the age of the protagonist, and the intent of the author. For instance, The Catcher In the Rye might have a teenaged protagonist and teenaged voice/aesthetic, but the author clearly did not intend it for a teen audience (as YA did not exist until many years later). Much as teens have appropriated The Catcher in the Rye as YA, this book is clearly not. (For similar reasons, I strongly object to The Lord of the Flies or To Kill A Mockingbird being called YA.)</p>
<p>More importantly, I&#8217;m concerned with this assumption that YA means a book is somehow more sophisticated than middle grade. Simplicity of language or slightly toned down themes does not make MG any less dark or sophisticated a category. Really the only things you can&#8217;t do in MG is sex and drugs but it can definitely be just as dark as YA and it can deal with extremely painful, grown-up themes. For example, No Laughter Here (a wonderful book by Rita Williams Garcia) is clearly middle grade but is more shocking and painful than most YA I have read (and I read a LOT of YA).</p>
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		By: Amy Bearce		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for having me as a guest on the blog! I had a lot of fun coming up with my list!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for having me as a guest on the blog! I had a lot of fun coming up with my list!</p>
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